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Jackery 400
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Jim Wilkins
2024-10-13 18:35:10 UTC
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Harbor Freight and Home Depot offers a Jackery 400, which doesn't appear on
Jackery's website. While I can assemble a comparable portable system it
would consist of heavy objects connected by cords which is risky in mobile
use. Does anyone have experience with it, particularly when charged from
solar panels?
jsw
Jim Wilkins
2024-10-13 21:37:24 UTC
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"Jim Wilkins" wrote in message news:veh3ut$pqct$***@dont-email.me...

Harbor Freight and Home Depot offers a Jackery 400, ...
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I mixed up the numbers, it's a model 290, 290Wh (24Ah at 12V), 400W peak
power, 200W continuous. I run my laptops and TV on a Bestek 300W sine
inverter that rarely exceeds 100W.
Carl Ijames
2024-10-14 00:37:58 UTC
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Post by Jim Wilkins
Harbor Freight and Home Depot offers a Jackery 400, which doesn't appear on
Jackery's website. While I can assemble a comparable portable system it
would consist of heavy objects connected by cords which is risky in mobile
use. Does anyone have experience with it, particularly when charged from
solar panels?
jsw
No personal experience with Jackerys. They were one of the first high quality brands on the market, and their pricing has always reflected that. There are many Youtube channels that cover solar generators. One of my favorites is Jasonoid. He seems to do good,thorough reviews, and actually assigns a letter grade to each unit he covers. He has a spreadsheet with all his results here:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1BZLY89iHF94vO2enPln7_HjlH-_IkgSbCfh3ofZ1h0c/edit?gid=954891978#gid=954891978

You will probably have to splice the url back together. This includes links to the manufacturers site and his YT review video for each model.
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Carl
Jim Wilkins
2024-10-14 12:19:38 UTC
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One of my favorites is Jasonoid. ...
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Googling "Jasonoid" found his site. The DC fridge/freezer reviews missed the
Alpicool T60 I have, which has been satisfactory for several years and
consumes about 28Ah overnight in summer, 18-20 in winter.

I can assemble the functionality of a Jackery at considerably lower cost,
but not the compact portability, until I figure a safe and durable way to
package the component modules, some of which have cooling fans to consider.
Perhaps the Pelican-type cases from HF might be adapted. The wire bundle to
the cover can be run parallel to the hinge for flexibility and long wear
life. The inexpensive Bestek 300W and 500W true sine inverters have worked
well for me. If I need more clean portable power outdoors I have a Honda
EU1000i and a 2500/2200W HF inverter generator.

I still need to find a solar controller for LiFePO4 that won't spike to
solar panel voltage and destroy the inverter when the BMS disconnects the
battery at full charge. DC-DC buck converters can control the charging
voltage and current well but don't make best use of varying solar panel
output. I finished sawing the >2 ton oak logs in my yard into beams and
boards and can move on to other problems.
Bob La Londe
2024-10-14 18:10:53 UTC
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Post by Jim Wilkins
Harbor Freight and Home Depot offers a Jackery 400, which doesn't appear
on Jackery's website. While I can assemble a comparable portable system
it would consist of heavy objects connected by cords which is risky in
mobile use. Does anyone have experience with it, particularly when
charged from solar panels?
jsw
I'm not sure I buy into all the hype. 1st off Lithium Iron batteries
are much safer if slightly less power dense than Lithium Ion batteries.
A modicum of common sense should keep you more than safe. I am
currently running a 36V LiFEPo for a trolling motor.

If you want to lean into all of that Will Prouse has a fairly extensive
library of videos on YouTube tearing into various batteries and battery
assembly. I think he is more focused on home power banks and server
rack batteries, but there is a tremendous amount of practical knowledge
there. I don't recall if Will has torn into the portable power pack
market to the same degree, but its worth a look see.

With most of these the cells are the same or similar (more powerful
cells are becoming common). The difference are in assembly quality, the
BMS, and the quality of your inverter.
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Jim Wilkins
2024-10-14 19:49:22 UTC
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"Bob La Londe" wrote in message news:vejmrc$1a0un$***@dont-email.me...

If you want to lean into all of that Will Prouse has a fairly extensive
library of videos on YouTube tearing into various batteries and battery
assembly. I think he is more focused on home power banks and server
rack batteries, but there is a tremendous amount of practical knowledge
there. I don't recall if Will has torn into the portable power pack
market to the same degree, but its worth a look see.

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Thanks. Will's reviews convinced me to buy 2 of the the LiTime Mini 12V
100Ah, LiFePO4s which fit in Group 24 boxes although they are slightly
taller than lead-acids. They are spares kept ~75% charged for typically long
but fairly predictable hurricane and ice storm outages, i.e. charge full,
then discharge by 20 to 25Ah, which is overnight on my 12VDC freezer. Charge
to BMS cutoff when a storm is predicted.

I use replaced-on-schedule medical AGMs for daily cycling to comply with the
IRS rule that batteries listed for tax credit on Form 5695 must be charged
purely from renewable sources, while used ones from flea markets etc aren't
eligible for the credit and thus can be charged with grid power in bad
weather like today's.
jsw
Bob La Londe
2024-10-15 01:17:39 UTC
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Post by Jim Wilkins
Thanks. Will's reviews convinced me to buy 2 of the the LiTime Mini 12V
100Ah, LiFePO4s which fit in Group 24 boxes although they are slightly
taller than lead-acids.
Same here except 36 volt for the boat. I wish they had a 12V with
cranking amps high enough for a starter motor. I've also been thinking
about getting a couple high cap 12s for the travel trailer. Highest
peak loads would be the brakes in an emergency I reckon. That
continuous capacity would be nice to have.
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Jim Wilkins
2024-10-15 11:55:33 UTC
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"Bob La Londe" wrote in message news:vekfri$1dhm6$***@dont-email.me...

Same here except 36 volt for the boat. I wish they had a 12V with
cranking amps high enough for a starter motor. I've also been thinking
about getting a couple high cap 12s for the travel trailer. Highest
peak loads would be the brakes in an emergency I reckon. That
continuous capacity would be nice to have.
Bob La Londe

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LiFePO4 amd AGM both charge at 14.4V and float around 13.3~13.6V, so they
can be paralleled while charging or discharging to have the high starting
current capacity of AGMs of perhaps less Ah capacity and cost. Their
discharge curves are somewhat different, LiFePO4 stays above 13V while AGM
quickly drops to 12.6V, so I'd disconnect them during storage so the Li
doesn't slowly run down trickle charging the AGM.

https://communityarchive.victronenergy.com/questions/119423/mix-agm-and-lifep04.html

A clamp-on ammeter that measures DC would be very useful to understand how
the two batteries perform when paralleled, especially when on a low current
maintenance charger.

The simple way to accommodate their different long-term storage
characteristics would be separate maintenance chargers. The LiFePO4 charges
to 14.2~14.4V and then stops accepting current, the AGM continuously draws a
small current at its ~13.6V float voltage. I don't know the consequences of
floating the Li partially charged at the AGM float voltage, which will
depend on the output of the float charger. I build my own with volt and amp
meters and don't have experience with commercial ones.

Before connecting them in parallel you should charge both to ~13.6V to avoid
a large current between them.
Jim Wilkins
2024-10-18 13:09:40 UTC
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Well, I found enough tech specs to believe I can use the Jackery 290, and
ordered one from Best Buy for $159.99 with a soon-to-expire coupon. I've
adapted jump starters to more or less the same functionality but their cheap
construction doesn't take well to much modification with heavy parts and I
don't want smoke and fire in the car while I'm driving.
Leon Fisk
2024-10-18 14:37:35 UTC
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On Fri, 18 Oct 2024 09:09:40 -0400
Post by Jim Wilkins
Well, I found enough tech specs to believe I can use the Jackery 290, and
ordered one from Best Buy for $159.99 with a soon-to-expire coupon. I've
adapted jump starters to more or less the same functionality but their cheap
construction doesn't take well to much modification with heavy parts and I
don't want smoke and fire in the car while I'm driving.
Best of luck with this๐Ÿ‘

I read reviews, looked them over a bit a couple years ago when I
noticed HF had them. Found it interesting how many people were using it
to run their CPAP machines while camping or off grid...
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Leon Fisk
Grand Rapids MI
Jim Wilkins
2024-10-18 17:04:44 UTC
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... Jackery 290...
Best of luck with this๐Ÿ‘

I read reviews, looked them over a bit a couple years ago when I
noticed HF had them. Found it interesting how many people were using it
to run their CPAP machines while camping or off grid...
Leon Fisk

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An example of how I could use portable AC was at a recent flea market where
I found a Tek TDS3054 4 channel 500MHz DSO scope for sale cheap, with the
warning that some buttons don't work well/at all and he thought it would be
too difficult to take apart for cleaning. He had AC power but I couldn't see
much in bright sunlight, or take it into shade. Anyway, he ended up asking
$40 "for parts".

A quick check at home confirmed that it does at least partially work. He
assured me that it wasn't 'hot' and could be sent out for repair. It's the
oldest version with a floppy drive instead of USB. I could buy several
Jackerys for the asking price of just its optional battery pack.

When it was new Tek's reputation had fallen and I ordered an HP Infiniium of
similar capability for $20,000 instead. In 15 minutes it caught and was
clearly displaying a glitch another department had struggled with for weeks.

The French equivalent, Jacquerie, means a revolt of the peasants.
Leon Fisk
2024-10-18 18:28:29 UTC
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On Fri, 18 Oct 2024 13:04:44 -0400
Post by Jim Wilkins
An example of how I could use portable AC was at a recent flea market where
I found a Tek TDS3054 4 channel 500MHz DSO scope for sale cheap, with the
warning that some buttons don't work well/at all and he thought it would be
too difficult to take apart for cleaning. He had AC power but I couldn't see
much in bright sunlight, or take it into shade. Anyway, he ended up asking
$40 "for parts".
<snip>

It would cost you more than $40 nowadays going out to dinner and
catching a movie... I look at it as that $40 price for "parts" will keep
my brain engaged and a reason to get out of bed for several days if
nothing else. Well worth the price in my view even if it ends up being
just parts of no particular use๐Ÿ˜‰
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Leon Fisk
Grand Rapids MI
Bob La Londe
2024-10-18 19:15:53 UTC
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Post by Leon Fisk
On Fri, 18 Oct 2024 13:04:44 -0400
Post by Jim Wilkins
An example of how I could use portable AC was at a recent flea market where
I found a Tek TDS3054 4 channel 500MHz DSO scope for sale cheap, with the
warning that some buttons don't work well/at all and he thought it would be
too difficult to take apart for cleaning. He had AC power but I couldn't see
much in bright sunlight, or take it into shade. Anyway, he ended up asking
$40 "for parts".
<snip>
It would cost you more than $40 nowadays going out to dinner and
catching a movie... I look at it as that $40 price for "parts" will keep
my brain engaged and a reason to get out of bed for several days if
nothing else. Well worth the price in my view even if it ends up being
just parts of no particular use๐Ÿ˜‰
Heck its more than 40 bucks if you don't go to dinner, and just get
pocorn and sodas.
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Jim Wilkins
2024-10-18 20:02:02 UTC
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"Leon Fisk" wrote in message news:veu9fc$3e1r3$***@dont-email.me...

On Fri, 18 Oct 2024 13:04:44 -0400
...Tek TDS3054 ...
<snip>

It would cost you more than $40 nowadays going out to dinner and
catching a movie... I look at it as that $40 price for "parts" will keep
my brain engaged and a reason to get out of bed for several days if
nothing else. Well worth the price in my view even if it ends up being
just parts of no particular use๐Ÿ˜‰
Leon Fisk

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What good ones go for:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/175220060375
Leon Fisk
2024-10-18 21:31:45 UTC
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On Fri, 18 Oct 2024 16:02:02 -0400
"Jim Wilkins" <***@gmail.com> wrote:

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Post by Jim Wilkins
https://www.ebay.com/itm/175220060375
Looking at Completed items ~$700 seems to be the sweet spot they
actually sell for.

Still think your $40 was an excellent brain stimulation purchase if
nothing else๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ˜‰
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Leon Fisk
Grand Rapids MI
Jim Wilkins
2024-10-19 01:54:44 UTC
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"Leon Fisk" wrote in message news:veuk41$3e1r3$***@dont-email.me...

On Fri, 18 Oct 2024 16:02:02 -0400
"Jim Wilkins" <***@gmail.com> wrote:

<snip>
Post by Jim Wilkins
https://www.ebay.com/itm/175220060375
Looking at Completed items ~$700 seems to be the sweet spot they
actually sell for.

Still think your $40 was an excellent brain stimulation purchase if
nothing else๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ˜‰
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Leon Fisk
Grand Rapids MI

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Or he could have been right to sell it for parts. I've bought bargains I
could fix and some I couldn't, or haven't yet. It's a buried treasure hunt,
sometimes I stumble onto gold, other times old boat anchors.
Gerry
2024-10-19 02:57:32 UTC
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On Fri, 18 Oct 2024 21:54:44 -0400, "Jim Wilkins"
Post by Leon Fisk
On Fri, 18 Oct 2024 16:02:02 -0400
<snip>
Post by Jim Wilkins
https://www.ebay.com/itm/175220060375
Looking at Completed items ~$700 seems to be the sweet spot they
actually sell for.
Still think your $40 was an excellent brain stimulation purchase if
nothing else??
Like my $3 "some kind of electrical meter" (Fluke 77) around twenty
years ago!
Jim Wilkins
2024-10-19 12:05:58 UTC
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Like my $3 "some kind of electrical meter" (Fluke 77) around twenty
years ago!

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Good one!

I bought a Fluke 8800A for $25 and a Keithley 580 for $15 from sellers who
did know what they were. They are both old enough to have no value to
industry which complies with ISO standards, and more specialized and
accurate than most hobbyists need. I don't either but high precision is a
habit (obsession?) left from building and using scientific instruments.
Often the bargains need some work, like fuel system cleaning on the Honda
EU1000i inverter generator.

The 8800A still reads a 10.0022V standard correctly to the least significant
digit after the 30 minute warmup. The 580 can show the resistance of an inch
of 10AWG wire, which is about one milliOhm. Recently bought wire is near the
high tolerance limit, as little copper as they could get away with. I can
measure from a microOhm for high current contacts to a GigOhm for leakage at
500 or 1000V.

I made a gas tank pressurizer for the genny with a 1-5/8" rubber stopper,
siphon bulb and rubber flap check valve under the stopper, as the siphon
bulb lacked one. My thumb is the intake valve. The stopper doubles as the
safety relief valve. It pushes -all- remaining gas in the tank, valve and
lines out the carb bowl drain for safe indoor storage near a wood stove so
it's accessible after a winter storm snows/ices me in, and primes the carb
after refilling it. Their instructions use a kerosene suction pump to drain
the tank which leaves some at the bottom. The EU1000i should NOT be turned
over to drain it because motor oil goes where it shouldn't.

When I was little my father was an accountant at a company that made
submarine telephone cable. They carefully tested all incoming material and
rejected quite a bit of it, which went to local scrappers and employees
offering to help dispose of it for free. Dad brought home enough steel and
copper wire and foil for my projects, I've even seen the center wire used as
flagpole rope. Apparently the extra time cost of selling it surplus was more
than it was worth.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TAT-1
Simplex Wire and Cable of Newington NH made the long part on large spindle
bore lathes with wire and insulation spools on the faceplates and passed it
directly into the Monarch as it was completed and tested. The incoming cable
was guided into tight spirals by hand. The repeaters contained $50,000 of
platinum wiring each. They were powered from (several?) thousand volts DC on
the center lead.

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